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Flatbroke
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 Posted - 01/15/2010 : 5:51:25 PM
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Click this link to read more. I have a link on our home page as well.
http://www.midlandsstriperclub.org/SCDNRfacingcrisis-CharlestonPC-100115.pdf
The budget is even more critical than the loss of 50 employees. If DNR does not receive a $3 million funds infusion July 1, I was told there could be even more serious consequences. What is more serious than the loss of 50? 100 or more??? This on the heels of the announcement that natural resources & forestry contribute 30 billion to the S.C. economy and over 230,000 jobs!
We are feeding billions into education in SC...and I am all for education. However, we still rand second from last on educating our youth. Tell me why a school district superintendent here in Beaufort County earns $240,000+ annually and school principals earn well over $100,000 per year...each! Why do we have 85 school districts for only 46 counties? Multiply that times the average number of ADMINISTRATIVE positions (50) earning OVER $50,000 a year, and you begin to get the picture of where our billions go...certainly NOT to teachers, who average $34,000 a year and can't get a small bonus for national accredidation.
Compare the above stats to this: John Frampton, director of SCDNR, earns only $120,000 for a largely thankless job...and DNR produces TANGIBLE results. Most state agency heads earn 1/2 or LESS than a school district superintendent.
Get the administrative overhead out of our school system and watch this state prosper!
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JWS
USA
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Posted - 01/15/2010 : 7:58:00 PM
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Jim, Do not forget High school fooball coaches that make over $100,000.00 a year. When will the people wake up? |
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Rick
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 7:12:22 PM
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Jim,
I could not agree with you more. I am amazed at the salaries of the School District Supt's. But even more amazed to learn that there are more school district's than counties in SC!! What is wrong with this picture??
Rick
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Brady
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 7:29:54 PM
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| And how is attacking the education system going to help this cause at all? |
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Flatbroke
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 7:57:02 PM
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Because the education system is very badly broken and is the single largest drain on SC's appropriated budget, and is ahead of prisons, the second largest drain. We're throwing billions due to the emotional aspect of education...while graduating kids that can't write their names nor even balance a checkbook and paying teachers paltry sums to babysit problem kids as well. I am sick to death of paying superintendents 200K plus, along with (in Lexington School District alone) literally hundreds making 50K plus with principals at salaries higher than state agency heads. For what??? Not for education! For crappy, sub-par testing at best. The teachers are good people...and deserve much more than they are paid, but the administrative overhead drains state coffers of much needed funds for not only DNR...but other very worthy agencies. I'm sick of education's administrative overhead taking money from where it's needed in education...robbing teachers and kids of a fair shake. It's government bureacracy at it's very worst. If I could get away with it, I'd attack every one of the bureacrats and legislators that fail to be accountable and turn 'em upside down to shake every dime from their pockets and place the money where it would do some good.
I think we need to wake up...make the education administrator put up or shut up. throwing more billions at the problem has been proven NOT to work. If they want to continue to be paid, let them find something that DOES work.
And in the meantime, fund worthwhile agencies at a level that allows them to function for all South Carolinians. Wildlife and natural resources, including forestry and coastal tourism, as I said, supplies 30 Billion to the state's economy and well over 230,000 jobs. Yet DNR get less than 1/2 of one percent of the state's appropriated budget. Enough said?
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Brady
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 8:07:29 PM
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| You did not answer the question. How does this help your cause? By the way the national board bonus has become one of the most corrupt forms of reward ever. Do you have any idea how much time principals spend at work? You offer no suggestions of how to fix it. You are just complaining with no offers of solution. As for the number of school districts in SC, it is all about taxes. Do you want to pay for schools and salaries that are not in your tax area? I would think not. Your rant about education makes not sense in this case. It only puts your true cause in a bad light to many, many people who may support you if you could only represent your issues without attacking others. |
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Tom Gitto
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 9:41:55 PM
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WAY TO GO JIM RIGHT ON THE MONEY. THE SAD THING IS THE SOLUTION IS COMPLICATED BY DESIGN ..THE POWERS THAT RUN THE SYSTEM DO SO LIKE THE OLD SHELL GAME .HAVE EVERYONE BE NICE AND NOT ATTACK ANYONE FOR FEAR OF BEING CALLED AN ATTACKER. BETTER TO BE A COMPLAINER AND STIR THE POT.. NONCOMFORMERS SHAPED THIS COUNTRY ,NOT FOLLOWERS AND YES MEN... JMO, AND STICKING TO IT
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Flatbroke
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 11:17:07 PM
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I believe I have attempted to answer the question over and over. By properly accounting for the billions and billions going to education and the many, many millions of which go to school administration, by closely scrutinizing how wisely these dollars are used, and by making this information public knowledge, it is perhaps likely that from public outcry will come change and enduring accountability. If that were to come to pass, then state appropriated dollars could be shared more equally with the agencies that need them, which is my point entirely.
Now you answer, if you please. How many hours do teachers spend at work? Then how many more hours into the night grading, talking to parents and on and on. Tell me why principals earn over $100K? Do you even begin to purport that a principal is overworked compared to a teacher? What about superintendents? Give me one, just one, good reason a hs supt. in any one of our 46 counties should earn more than twice the salary of the average state agency director? Read that as "state-wide" agency director, if you please. Oh...and please tell me why the total number of school administrative employees statewide has increased ten-fold in the last two decades? Do we need curriculum coordinators who have not taught in a quarter century (or not at all) critiquing our teachers? Average salary...$60,000 to $75,000 per year. Now we even have "rigor standards" concocted by consultants we've shelled out millions for...please...spare me and our children.
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Brady
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 06:46:17 AM
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| These are still not solutions to the problem you describe. So let's take the 100,000 prinicpal salary and divide it by the 100 teachers. They all get 1000 raises. Now you have nobody in charge to focus the direction of the school. You also have nobody to manage the enormous amount of required paper work. Is DNR under funded? You bet. Is your ranting about the education going to do anything about it? No. As for education being the top spending agency in the state, no kidding. State governments top priority and responsibility is education. The approach you have used is a failed one and will just push more away from your cause. What I don't understand is why you chose to attach a specific group of people to blame for the underfunding of DNR. You describe the education system in South Carolina as the second worst in the country. So is poverty. This is the true problem. You can't make people do what they don't want to do. Go to any small town in SC and what is the center of that community? The school system. Many times the principal is the leader of not only the school but also the community. Think about it. |
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Flatbroke
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 2:25:44 PM
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take the 100,000 prinicpal salary and divide it by the 100 teachers. They all get 1000 raises. Now you have nobody in charge to focus the direction of the school.
I'm so sorry sir, but I feel that you are "off the mark." I do not advocate taking all the principals' salaries...nor all the superintendents'...only to bring them more in line with other state agency managers' salaries, thus increasing the overall amount of money available to fund all of state government. i won't even dwell on higher education, with high-salaried, tenured professors in many more colleges and universities than this small state can support.
I attack education unashamedly, as it is (again, sir) the single largest drain on taxpayer dollars...a larger share of which could and should go to other deserving agencies, not just DNR. Education is (again, sir) "tugging at the heartstrings...after all who could be so dastardly as to take money from our childrens' education? Under this guise and, despite the many, many millions in additional funding it has received in the last quarter century, education shows no discernable improvement.
As for the principal being the leader...that could be said on the ministers in Community A, the county agent in Community B, the legislator in Commumity C and the banker in Community D. Not a valid argument.
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Brady
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 3:31:33 PM
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| None of this will help your cause. It is a shame too because many people like the ones you describe enjoy fishing and the outdoors. I guess you don't need the support of them. Their salaries are well in line with others who have similar careers if not behind them. I just can't understand why you have to target one group of people and think that will help DNR. It is a poor stategy. |
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Flatbroke
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 3:41:05 PM
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it's a shame you feel that way. It's time education's waste is closely scrutinized. Please notice I said waste.
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Brady
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 6:59:46 PM
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| Well I suppose it is I and others like me that you refer to as waste. Be careful to not be so closed minded. |
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Flatbroke
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 7:35:15 PM
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My mind is open...to change and to accountability. Perhaps all should re-read that neat little book, "Who moved my cheese?"
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