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Fogman
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 Posted - 07/26/2010 : 09:00:03 AM
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No sour grapes here. I think there are good people with good points on every side of all issues brought forth. Whatever is decided is not going to effect my participation and involvement in club activities, and I'm sure everyone else feels the same way. Obviously, we can bat this around for quite a while. At the end of the day, like I said earlier, we agree to respectfully disagree.
After talking with several members and deciding to start the thread, I knew this would be interesting |
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landlocked
USA
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 10:07:45 AM
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I concur with Jon Boy's last post. The bottom line is this. Will changing the rules....
1. Increase member/angler participation on CH?
2. Would MSC be considered better stewards of the lake by allowing 18" fish to the scales?
We will ponder these questions in the PAC.
Richy
"My biggest worry is that my wife (when I'm dead) will sell my fishing gear for what I said I paid for it." |
Edited by - landlocked on 07/26/2010 10:08:52 AM |
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BigPreach
USA
39 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 10:33:44 AM
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| Amen! Well said Jon Boy |
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VanMan
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 12:03:59 PM
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Good summary John Boy...
Let's hope this has spurred some good thoughts and given the PAC commitee a few things to consider as we go forward... As stated, the past decisions were made on what we thought was best for the club and the lakes at that time. I am sure going forward that will be true as well if any changes need to be made... Overall it has been a great year in all aspects of the club.
VanMan
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JWS
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 8:34:40 PM
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WOW-Where have the Midlands Striper Club Constitution and Bylaws Article #1 Name and Purpose gone |
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Cam
60 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 09:13:52 AM
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| There has been some very thoughtful and convincing discussion about these issues. I hope all of the PAC members have a chance to study these posts before the PAC meeting next week. I am sure the members of the committee will make a well reasoned decision in what to do for the benefit of the Club and the fisheries in both lakes. |
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RealityBites
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 09:44:54 AM
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Rick, I think your question about the message board serving as adequate notice prior to a club vote for amendments is probably something that would require an amendment to the Constitution and By-laws. Someone could put that in writing for the club to consider as an amendment to the Constitution and Bylaws at the August meeting and then vote on it at the Sept. meeting...
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"I've spent 85% of my lifes wages on fishing, the rest I just wasted..." |
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Gar-Heart
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 10:09:44 AM
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| It seems that when people say lowering the limit will "make the weigh-in more interesting" it really means nothing more than more people will be able to weigh fish. As we all know, there is great satisfaction in having fish to bring to the scales no matter the size or quantity and an 18" minimum will increase the number of people who get to experience the excitement. In tournaments we tend to lose sight of the fact that there is also a great deal of fun inherent in being out on the boat catching fish to begin with. I like the 21" minimum because, right now, it makes catching that first "keeper" so much more special than on Murray and all the better if you can add to it. An 18" minimum would basically force everyone to fish shallow on a school of hybrids until they had four and then go on to pursue the larger fish we want to target to begin with. As the day heats up, your chance of catching larger fish slowly diminishes. That's not to say you can't but you are certainly more likely to put a big one in the boat early. Maybe you work in reverse order but will surely be behind by several fish when you decide its time to land some hybrids. I'd rather chase the larger fish all day. I know everyone's expectation is to catch a limit but sometimes it just doesn't work out. All that said, fishing on Murray may make more sense for next year since our lake has rebounded nicely over the last two years. |
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Fogman
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 5:55:06 PM
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Originally posted by Gar-Heart
All that said, fishing on Murray may make more sense for next year since our lake has rebounded nicely over the last two years.
I could not agree more with your last sentence. I was out on Murray today with my 11 year old, and we had a ball catching 25 total fish with 6 legit keepers(21 inches+) on downrods set at 50+. This was despite the fact that it was as slick as a mirror out there all morning. Robbie's biggest fish today was around 9 pounds.
If we don't want to change a by-law, we could consider moving August back to Murray. That would not hurt any feelings whats-so-ever here I know of at least a couple of bait men that would appreciate the restoration of business they lose when we fish away tournaments.
If we do go back to the Hill, I would rather be able to weigh-in some hybrids(18-21). I don't think this makes me a "game thief," poor steward of the resource, or a glory hound. Hybrids are mainly what's available, and it costs too much and takes too much time to go down there with little possibility of a quality weigh-in otherwise. In certain fisheries around the world, determination of what can be harvested is based on creel samples by DNR's. Well, we've done our own sampling on Clarks Hill. JMO. I will deal with whatever is decided, participate, and move on. I don't think any of us are going to "take our ball and go home."
PAC, please throw what has been said about Murray into your discussion.
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Fogman
USA
227 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 9:09:58 PM
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None. We fished the lower lake and kept 9 hybrids that were 16-20 1/2 inches long. My nephew enjoyed himself and couldn't believe how hard hybrids pull(He caught a 20+ pound striper with me last spring on Murray.). This was last Friday. I wanted to fish Murray, but Brandon had never seen the Hill and wanted the experience.
I have fished the hill a total of 6 days this summer-- both uplake and downlake. My best day was the very first day out there when I had stripers of around 10 and 7 pounds with 2 hybrids over 22 inches. The second time was when you were with me and we got on the good hybrid bite in afternoon boils below Russell. Then, there was the 3 days we spent during and around the tournament-- 2 fish over 21 inches in 3 days. You ride the lower lake in water deeper than 30 feet, and it's just a ghost town on the graph. Don't hardly ever mark anything at all which is totally unlike last year before the kill off. |
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Curly Dog
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 10:42:07 PM
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I do not think we should be making changes to by laws / rules mid season. We must maintain some degree of consistency or risk losing credibility. If the membership expresses a desire to make changes for next season then we can make changes then, not now. We have a great club with a huge membership but unfortunately all I ever see on here is the opinions of a very few REPEATEDLY. I would like to hear from the rest of the membership on this issue and any other concerns they may have. As far as this one goes I do not believe in making changes just so some won't have to show up at the scales empty handed. If I worried about getting skunked I wouldn't fish to start with. Please put your egos aside and think of the rest of the club.
I'll keep my freedom, my guns, and my money. They can keep the "Change" |
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VanMan
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 09:12:05 AM
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I know we are not taking "official" votes here however:
I would prefer August back on Murray...
However if we do stay at the Hill as scheduled I think going to 18" would only increase our boats by a small handful of participants if that... I personally would probably prefer to stay 21" and spend the day trying to catch a couple of larger stripers or big hybrids over 21" and focus on that. Just my opinion but like Fog I will fish whatever size we determine to be the goal that day and adjust accordingly... (Not like its really gonna matter much since my "team" has pretty much disolved for the summer and I am enjoying fishing with other teams that are shorthanded!)
VanMan
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Tom Gitto
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 10:03:20 AM
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YES, MR RICK there is guidance here at MSC . There are only 3 solutions to this issue witch seems to have gotten out of hand. 1-- COME BACK TO MURRAY IN AUGUST..2-- LOWER THE LENGTH LIMIT ON CH TO 18 IN. 3 --KEEP THE LENGTH LIMIT 21 IN. ON CH FOR THIS LAST TX IN 2010 ON THE HILL. The PAC committee in my estimation is very capable of sorting out the different ramifications involved in this highly ,seemingly volitile item. Thanks to everyone for your input. Tom C C RIDER..
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Big John1
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 8:21:25 PM
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| And don't forget a little more time for the weigh-in. My team caught a 5+ lb. fish. But because I was 5-6 minutes after the last guy I couldn't weigh my fish. I can't swallow that for some reason. I spent the time to go, bought bait from David at the traffic circle, caught 1 fish, and get to the scales to get a " scales closed" comment. Now chew on that at the pac meeting!!!! |
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Kevin M.
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 11:22:24 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the major reason we changed our schedule to include Clark's Hill was because fish survive release better in that lake than in Murray, not just because of the better average size. For example, I know several people who are still catching good fish at Clark's Hill as shallow as 25' in mid to low 80 degree temps, even mid to lower lake. Smaller fish caught at that depth stand alot better chance to survive than fish caught on Murray 55 to 100 feet deep; therefore, alot less fish are killed when released at the Hill. I feel like this should be number 1 priority when making these decisions. I know Clark's Hill did suffer a big fish kill last year but there are still a lot of quality fish being caught. When was the last time you heard of a weigh-in on Murray of 107 lbs(4 fish), not mention the 4 or 5 other fish between 24 and 30 pounds that were weighed in May 31st at a tournament I fished. That being said, my opinion is we should keep the tournament at Clark's Hill this August. As for the 18 inch minimum I thought at the beginning of the year it would have been a good idea to adapt to the fishery like the other oganizations, but don't feel like we should change mid year, however, I have no problem either way and plan on being there to fish. My biggest issue is I thought the move was mainly in concern for the mortality rate on Murray.
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